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(WashingtonPost<\/a>) The investor and Web browser pioneer Marc Andreessen thinks we’ll
\nall look back in 20 years and conclude that Bitcoin<\/a> was as influential a
\nplatform for innovation as the Internet itself was. He says that tech
\ncompanies think their meetings with President Obama on privacy are a
\nwaste of time. And he calls net neutrality a “lose-lose.” In a
\nwide-ranging interview with The Washington Post this week,<\/em>\u00a0Andreessen
\npainted a picture of a future that’s distributed, messy and fraught
\nwith tension. Here’s an edited transcript of our conversation.<\/em><\/p>\n

Is there anything that Washington has built a wall against in terms of progress?<\/b><\/p>\n

Well, the big thing right now for the tech industry is the Snowden
\nrevelations, and the consequences of that for the American tech
\nindustry. Specifically, in two areas: One is that the level of trust
\nthat customers have [in] American tech companies has been seriously
\ndamaged. And that is especially \u2014 but not exclusively \u2014 true outside the
\nUnited States. Every time another revelation comes out, like the one
\nthis weekend about hijacking the routers<\/a> on their way out of the country, or the one about hacking into the Internet companies’ backbone networks<\/a> \u2014\u00a0every time one of these shoes drops, and apparently there is just an unlimited<\/em>
\nnumber of shoes \u2014\u00a0every time one of these things happens, it’s a
\nserious blow to the credibility of these companies, especially outside
\nthe U.S.\u00a0And so there’s a really big, I mean very, very, very high level
\nof concern in the Valley that the American tech industry is in trouble
\noutside the U.S.<\/p>\n

And then, two is this balkanization of the Internet that’s happening
\nnow. As more revelations happen, more and more countries are saying:
\n“Okay, if we can’t trust the Internet, if the NSA is going to watch
\neverybody on the Internet all the time, we’re going to have to break off
\nand have our own Internet. Have our own firewalls, do what the Chinese
\ndo, have our own private Internet or whatever the hell it’s going to
\nbe.”\u00a0This issue is being used as political cover for what these countries want to do anyway.<\/p>\n

That brings us to, “Okay, how is the American government getting in
\nfront of this?” And the answer is, “Not even a little bit.” The view in
\nthe Valley is that the White House has hung the NSA out to dry. Just
\nlike, “You’re on your own.” And there’s basically no effective
\ncommunication right now that I’m aware of between the American
\ngovernment, especially the administration and American tech companies,
\non like, “Okay, what happens now?”<\/p>\n

There isn’t?<\/b><\/p>\n

No.<\/p>\n

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Those meetings that occurred<\/a>, that’s just for show?<\/b><\/p>\n

Yeah, people come back, and they’re like, “Nothing happened.” The
\nObama administration does not seem to have any real \u2014\u00a0they don’t seem to
\nhave a plan. They seem to be in the mode of they kinda hope that it
\ngoes away. And they hope that if they get face time with the execs they
\ncan just mollify everybody and over time, the issue will just dissipate.
\nBut I’m not aware of any substance that’s come out of those meetings.
\nI’m not aware of anybody who’s come back from those meetings saying:
\n“Okay, now there’s a plan. Now we know what’s going to happen.” It’s
\nbeen the opposite. It’s been people saying, “I don’t even know why I
\nwent.”<\/p>\n

Is there anything tech companies can do, whether on the Snowden stuff, or culturally?<\/b><\/p>\n

These technologies escalate the power of government, but they also
\nescalate the power of business, and they also escalate the power of
\nindividuals. So everyone’s been upgraded. And it’s a recalibration of
\nwho can do what, and everybody can do new things, so everybody’s uneasy
\nabout it. Governments are very worried about what citizens are going to
\nbe able to do with these new technologies. Citizens are very worried
\nabout what governments are going to do, and everybody’s worried about
\nwhat businesses are going to do. It’s this three-way dynamic that’s
\nplaying out. And so for any of these individual issues, it’s not just
\n“What is one leg of this triangle going to be doing?” It’s, “What are all three<\/em> of them going to be doing, and how will the tension resolve itself?”<\/p>\n

Any thoughts on all these mergers<\/a> that are being announced?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Not specifically on the mergers.<\/p>\n

Or net neutrality<\/a>?<\/b><\/p>\n

So, I think the net neutrality issue is very difficult. I think it’s a
\nlose-lose. It’s a good idea in theory because it basically appeals to
\nthis very powerful idea of permissionless innovation. But at the same
\ntime, I think that a pure net neutrality view is difficult to sustain if
\nyou also want to have continued investment in broadband networks. If
\nyou’re a large telco right now, you spend on the order of $20 billion a
\nyear on capex. You need to know how you’re going to get a return on that
\ninvestment. If you have these pure net neutrality rules where you can
\nnever charge a company like Netflix anything, you’re not ever going to
\nget a return on continued network investment — which means you’ll stop
\ninvesting in the network. And I would not want to be sitting here 10 or
\n20 years from now with the same broadband speeds we’re getting today. So
\nthe challenge, I think, is to accommodate both of those goals, which is
\na very difficult thing to do. And I don’t envy the FCC and the
\ncomplexity of what they’re trying to do.<\/p>\n

The ultimate answer would be if you had three or four or five
\nbroadband providers to every house. And I think you actually have the
\npotential for that depending on how things play out from here. You’ve
\ngot the cable companies; you’ve got the telcos. Google Fiber is
\nexpanding very fast, and I think it’s going to be a very serious
\nnationwide and maybe ultimately worldwide effort. I think that’s going
\nto be a much bigger scale in five years.<\/p>\n

So, you can imagine a world in which there are five competitors to
\nevery home for broadband: telcos, cable, Google Fiber, mobile carriers
\nand unlicensed spectrum. In that world, net neutrality is a much less
\ncentral issue, because if you’ve got competition, if one of your
\nproviders started to screw with you, you’d just switch to another one of
\nyour providers.<\/p>\n

There’s more and more integration between Bitcoin and the
\nfinancial services sector. But a lot of people who support Bitcoin
\nsupported it because<\/i> it was sort of disconnected from the infrastructure represented by government and everything else.<\/b><\/p>\n

So we sort of have a theory on this, on where really disruptive
\ntechnologies come from. So the really new disruptive technologies come
\nfrom the fringe. This was true of PCs. Steve Jobs was, like, a
\nhippie.\u00a0Internet came from the fringe. No big technology company thought
\nthe Internet was going to be important, right up until basically 1995
\nor 1996.<\/p>\n

Bitcoin is the classic instance of that. Bitcoin didn’t come from
\nCitibank; it didn’t come from the Federal Reserve; it didn’t come from
\nVisa. It came from the fringe.\u00a0And now Bitcoin is in the early stages of
\nmainstreaming today. And the signs that it’s in the early stages of
\nmainstreaming are mainstream venture capital firms funding mainstream
\nstartups, employing mainstream engineers to build services that’ll be
\nused by mainstream people. You’ve got big companies that are not yet
\ndoing a lot with it, but are looking very seriously at it. So every big
\nbank has people that are trying to figure out what to do with Bitcoin;
\nevery big e-commerce company has people that are trying to figure out
\nBitcoin. You have mainstream regulators figuring it out; you’ve got
\npeople at the Federal Reserve, and the Treasury Department and IRS that
\nare figuring it out. At the state level, people are engaged on it. And
\nso, it’s in the early stages of mainstreaming.<\/p>\n

It’s already happening.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Anybody who thinks Bitcoin makes it easier to do transactions that aren’t<\/em>
\ntracked by the government is 100 percent wrong. The transactions all
\nhappen in public view.\u00a0Anybody can look at the entire ledger and verify
\nwho owns what. So if you’re a law enforcement agency or an intelligence
\nagency, this is a much easier way to track the flow of money than cash.
\nSo\u00a0I think actually law enforcement and intelligence agencies are going
\nto wind up being pro-Bitcoin, and libertarians are going to wind up
\nbeing anti-Bitcoin.<\/p>\n

For [journalists], the big challenge has been explaining what
\nBitcoin is to people. And I think we’ve always explained it as a
\ncurrency, but does that \u2014 now that people know about it in terms of a
\ncurrency, does that prevent them from [grasping Bitcoin’s full
\npotential]?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I have a lot of friends who are programmers. The programmers have always gone like, “Those [Bitcoin] guys are crazy.”<\/p>\n

And then, almost 100 percent of the time, they sit down, read the paper<\/a>,
\nread the code \u2014 it takes them a couple weeks — and they come out the
\nother side. And they’re like: “Oh my god, this is it. This is the big
\nbreakthrough. This is the thing we’ve been waiting for. He solved all
\nthe problems. Whoever he is should get the Nobel prize — he’s a genius.
\nThis is the thing! This is the distributed trust network that the
\nInternet always needed and never had.”<\/p>\n

So, one of the challenges is you take people who aren’t<\/em>
\nprofessional programmers or mathematicians and then you expect them to
\nunderstand it from a standing start. And it’s daunting. And so then it
\ngets a word attached to it, like “currency” or whatever you want to call
\nit, and then people think that it is something it isn’t. And you have a
\nsense of this, but it’s a much deeper concept than currency. It’s the
\nidea of distributed trust<\/em>.<\/p>\n

So the business opportunity posed by this “distributed trust
\nnetwork” \u2014 as an investor, what do you see that you could potentially \u2014<\/b><\/p>\n

Hundreds or thousands of applications and companies that could get built on top.<\/p>\n

Is this, like, a billions-of-dollars kind of industry?<\/b><\/p>\n

Yeah.<\/p>\n

Trillions\u2026?<\/b><\/p>\n

Yeah! (Laughs, steeples his fingers Mr. Burns-style). Yeeeah\u2026 (Laughs) I have the haircut, I can do it.<\/p>\n

Digital stocks. Digital equities. Digital fundraising for companies.
\nDigital bonds. Digital contracts, digital keys, digital title, who owns
\nwhat \u2014 digital title to your house, to your car. Like for example, you
\nget a digital title on a car, attached to a digital key, where you own
\nyour car on the Bitcoin blockchain and on your smartphone. The key for
\nopening your car and starting your car is tied to that title. And if I
\nsell you my car, automatically you get title, and you get the key that
\nlets you operate the car, and it’s all digital, and it’s all unique, and
\nit can’t be cracked. You’ve got digital voting, digital contracts,
\ndigital signatures. You’ve got unique pieces of digital content. If you
\nguys wanted to know exactly who had every piece of content you ever
\nmade, you can track that. It’s this long list. And then every aspect of
\nfinancial services: insurance contracts, insurance derivatives, currency
\nexchange, remittance \u2014 on and on and on. It gives you a chance to
\nbasically go after this very broad category of online business in a new
\nway. And, by the way, if we had had this technology 20 years ago, we
\nwould’ve built it into the browser.<\/p>\n

E-commerce would’ve gotten built on top of this, instead of getting
\nbuilt on top of the credit card network. We knew we were missing this;
\nwe just didn’t know what it was. There is no reason on earth for anybody
\nto be on the Internet today to be typing in a credit card number to buy
\nsomething. It’s insane, because \u2014 which is why you have all these
\nsecurity problems, the Target hack and all this crazy…. And these high
\nfees, this high fraud rate. It doesn’t make sense online to have a
\npayment mechanism that requires you to hand over your credentials to
\nmake a payment. That’s just an invitation to fraud and identity theft.
\nIt’s just stupid.<\/p>\n

But we didn’t have the better way of doing it. So we didn’t know what
\nelse to do, and now we have the better way of doing it. Now, it’s going
\nto take time. We’re quite confident that when we’re sitting here in 20
\nyears, we’ll be talking about Bitcoin the way we talk about the Internet
\ntoday. We just need time for it to play out.<\/p>\n

Open your free digital wallet here<\/a> to store your cryptocurrencies in a safe place.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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